The Sākyan Mahānāma visits Lomasavangīsa at the Nigrodhārāma in Kapilavatthu and asks him if the learner's way of life is the same as that of a Tathāgata. No, says the Elder; a learner strives to abandon the five hindrances (nīvarana); the arahants have already completely destroyed them. S.v.327f.